i’m waiting for someone to write epic meta on why the reason bucky is so popular with female fans is bc his storyline being about being stripped of agency and personal autonomy resonates particularly with female experiences
I think you… just did it?
Yeah, this must be why most of the fic on AO3 is written with really great Black Widow, who’s never sidelined, ignored, or turned into a series of Dad Jokes. Because her plotline is about the same things.
Or why there’s a tonne of fanworks and meta about Gamora.
I’m not discounting or dismissing female fans who find that Bucky’s narrative resonates with them. But I think there’s meta to be written about how this storyline of being stripped of agency and personal autonomy, a storyline that applies to at least two female characters in the MCU, was not considered narratively important until it happened to a white man.
Fandom is notorious for wanting storylines that resonate with female experiences but dismissing female characters, such that even when we have two women whose storylines match that they’re ignored in favor of the dude. And THEN fandom is notorious for writing long essays about how they like the male character because he represents their experience in ways they’ve never seen before, without ever acknowledging that women are having that same storyline in more explicitly gendered terms right there.
That’s fandom in a microcosm. And I’m pretty sure that’s the point theladymonsters was making.
All of the above is true, but I wouldn’t blame media consumers so much as media creators.
Bucky’s storyline and experience with losing agency and autonomy is played out in an extremely engaging way. The movies show his before, during, and (presumably and hopefully) will show his after.
Natasha’s loss of agency and autonomy isn’t explicitly shown in the movies like Bucky’s is. (I believe it’s played out in the comics but I don’t know for sure). We only get an ‘after’ of Natasha; the way that she’s trying to rebuild and recreate herself. Her story is aftermath, not process.
Gamora’s storyline was handled terribly. There’s a lot of much better meta than I could write about this, but suffice it to say that the main thing that I took from that movie was “dear god i wish the movie actually addressed Gamora and Nebula in any substantial way”. Gamora’s reaction to her loss of agency revolved around Quill, rather than herself, and therefore, I think, packed a lot less punch.
Point being, Bucky’s experience is the one fandom latches onto because it has the best source material. It elicits the most emotional response because it was explored more and better than the stories of the women. Because misogyny.
#basically i don’t like blaming female fans for their engagement with media
For myself, I’ve made my peace with the fact that I want to work out all my issues of female experience on the bodies of male characters because it gives me a little distance from it.When those bad things happen to female characters, it’s too real, too close. I don’t want stories about women suffering violence and dehumanization; I want stories about women who are strong and fierce. I want stories about women who are as safe as I hope I am (and know I’m probably not). When I want a story about suffering and helplessness you’re damn straight I want it to be about a man, because I don’t want it to be about me.
The room goes deadly silent as they all whip their heads around to stare at him. In the gym, Steve’s walking across a tightrope - Tony thinks Clint started it - someone’s strung across the area, arms spread to keep his balance, slowly making his way over. Natasha had made it, and Clint, and now Steve was making his try.
And the thing that’s shocking isn’t so much that the betting has started, it’s more that Bucky’s the one to get it going. That Bucky’s talked at all. Tony knows, objectively, that Bucky talks to people. He’s seen him, from a distance, keeping a conversation running with Steve, Natasha, or Sam. It’s just - he doesn’t speak to anyone outside of those three. Ever.
"…Did you just talk?" Clint asks. "I didn’t hallucinate that, right?"
Bucky crosses his arms.
"And more importantly, three dollars? What is this, kindergarten?" Tony asks.
Bucky shrugs with one shoulder, still looking very uncomfortable with all the attention narrowed on him. ”It’s all I have in my pocket,” he says, holding up the bills.
It’s Clint who throws three more down on the table. ”Alright, I’ll take that,” he says. After a moment, the other three all add their own to the pile.
"Great," says Bucky. Then, he clears his throat, and says, louder than Tony thinks he’s ever heard him speak, "Hey, Steve, remember that time in Paris when the prostitute kneed Monty in the balls?"
There’s a strangled sort of snorting sound and a very, very heavy thud as Steve hits the floor.
"Interference!" Tony says. "Foul play, doesn’t count."
"Shoulda specified," says Bucky. He picks up the money and walks out without another word.
regarding thorin’s birthday, what i thought would be funny is if thorin’s birthday fell on some date in late autumn/early winter in standard middle-earth reckoning, but in shire reckoning, it fell on september 22nd, the same day as bilbo and frodo
that opens up a world of possibilities, especially in domestic shire AUs, because wee little frodo would freak out about this, he’d be like BOTH MY UNCLES HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY AS ME THIS IS GREAT (barrels into the master bedroom) WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE IT’S MY BIRTHDAY and thorin would pop his head above the duvet looking muzzy and he’d be like (frowns, fakes confusion) “i thought it was my birthday?” and bilbo’s like (mumbles sleepily, eyes still closed) “no no i’m pretty sure it’s my birthday” and frodo’s like UGHHHHHHH UNCLE THORIN UNCLE BILBO STOP CACKLING THIS STOPPED BEING FUNNY LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO I’M NINE YEARS OLD I’M TOO OLD FOR THIS and thorin’s like “ah my apologies akhûnith yes i agree you’re far too old for such nonsense, so i wager you’re too old for birthday cake as well” and frodo’s like (severely) “…no uncle thorin i know you’re new here but that’s not how this works” and bilbo’s busy trying to muffle his hysterical giggling into the pillows
this was just an excuse to write thorin and frodo interactions, i am trash, forgive me, goodbye
Oh no this is was too cute I had to draw something sorry - shire AU and interactions with young Frodo are my weaknesses
something that i noticed on the third rewatch of captain america: for a really fucking lonely guy steve sure has a lot of eating paraphernalia in his house, like at least 20 different glasses. and ~artistically arranged~ too.
so months ago, natasha probably came over to steve’s apartment (actually broke into steve’s apartment to play videogames and rifle through his medicine cabinet) and encountered the single lonely table. the single lonely bowl he owns with the single lonely chipped mug. one single lonely radio. one picture of the howling commandos taped to the wall with one single lonely piece of masking tape. and she’s just like this is disgusting i’m drowning in my own tears ugh
then steve comes home to find natasha sitting at his table, eating his raisin bran and glaring at him and he’s like jesus christ !!!! and she’s like we’re going to ikea you human disaster
steve’s like, i don’t appreciate your tone and also we should really talk about this breaking and entering thing as he obediently follows her to the car
reminder that if we’re in a mutual and you’re under the age of 18 and find it creepy or weird that i’m following you back as an adult then let me know and i’ll unfollow and it won’t need to be a big deal at all… like, please put your own safety and wellbeing first
Agreed. I’m 44, and I’m a teacher. And if my following you on Tumblr makes you uncomfortable, please send me a fanmail and I’ll unfollow you post-haste.
A blog should be safe space, no matter the platform, and it’s part of the reason I don’t generally send messages to folks; if you want to talk with me, it’s up to you to initiate contact. And likewise, if you want me to cease and desist, please ask, and know that I’ll bow out with nary a word of nastiness.
Why is it not helpful to say “not all men are like that”? For lots of reasons. For one, women know this. They already know not every man is a rapist, or a murderer, or violent. They don’t need you to tell them.
Second, it’s defensive. When people are defensive, they aren’t listening to the other person; they’re busy thinking of ways to defend themselves. I watched this happen on Twitter, over and again.
Third, the people saying it aren’t furthering the conversation, they’re sidetracking it. The discussion isn’t about the men who aren’t a problem. (Though, I’ll note, it can be. I’ll get back to that.) Instead of being defensive and distracting from the topic at hand, try staying quiet for a while and actually listening to what the thousands upon thousands of women discussing this are saying.
Fourth—and this is important, so listen carefully—when a woman is walking down the street, or on a blind date, or, yes, in an elevator alone, she doesn’t know which group you’re in. You might be the potential best guy ever in the history of history, but there’s no way for her to know that. A fraction of men out there are most definitely not in that group. Which are you? Inside your head you know, but outside your head it’s impossible to.
a moment of silence for all the fanfiction lost to the ravages of time, unsalvageable even by the wayback machine, condemned to its final resting place in the deactivated archives of fansites for now-syndicated television shows
i want the “steve rogers is bi” movement to become so strong that people who arent in on it begin to question it. they’ll be like “he isn’t canonically bi… is he?” but they’ll never find a real answer bc so many people will be like “no. he is. he definitely is” and everyone will be confused and then his bisexuality will get written into movies
I think tumblr has left a lot of us emotionally stunted. This is a great community for empowerment, catharsis, or coping, but those things aren’t recovery in and of themselves. Comparatively, they’re easy when compared to the painful self-reflection and real-world scenarios you’ll have to encounter on the road to true recovery. Not only does Tumblr not focus enough on recovery, but there’s almost a disdain here for the very notion.
There’s a lot of time spent validating everything. “Your symptoms are valid! Your responses are valid! Your depression is valid! Your coping is valid!” Well, yeah, all that stuff is definitely valid, and understanding that is important step in recovery, but it’s certainly not the final step. All that stuff is valid in the same way a baby chewing on a teething ring is valid, and there’s nothing to be embarrassed about if your recovery is still in its infancy, but Tumblr almost encourages you to stay there, to never grow out of it.
There’s a difference between what’s valid and what’s healthy, what’s best for you. I recently saw a post that validated people who stay in their room all day. Is that a valid response to anxiety? Sure. Is it a healthy response? Hell no, and there isn’t a person on Earth who can convincingly make the argument that the best thing you can do for your anxiety is to never leave your room.
Or how about those “how to care for a _________” posts? They’ve got some great tips there, and a lot of what they say is true, but you cannot reasonably expect people to coddle your issues, insecurities, or self-perceived inadequacies. Your recovery has to come from you. It has to be a difficult decision you make with yourself and carry through with because you need it. Your recovery can’t come from hoping other people will validate you.
No one should be ashamed of where they are in their recovery process, but there’s also no reason why you should be in the same place with your issues as you were in 2010.
Your final goal is not validation. It isn’t empowerment. It isn’t finding a way to get through the day. It isn’t being comfortable with your problems, nor is it accepting that they’ll never go away. The final goal is health. The final goal is happiness. The final goal is contentment. The final goal is recovery.
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